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#127534 - 01/26/02 08:22 PM Is the P7 Blazer Friendly?
Incursion Offline
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Registered: 03/16/00
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I started shooting Blazers through my P7, and I think they are way cleaner than PMP. However, I had 4 stovepipes with the ammo today. This is the only FMJ ammo that has ever stovepiped on my P7. Have any of you other guys shot a lot of Blazer? What were your experiences?

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#127535 - 01/26/02 08:23 PM Re: Is the P7 Blazer Friendly?
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I've shot a lot of Blazer through my P7s. No problems with it.

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#127536 - 01/26/02 08:31 PM Re: Is the P7 Blazer Friendly?
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Damn, what's the usual cause of a stove pipe?

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#127537 - 01/26/02 08:37 PM Re: Is the P7 Blazer Friendly?
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Registered: 12/01/01
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Isn't that kind of like putting 87 Octane in your Porsche (notice the "German lineage")???

By the way just kidding...My P7's work well w/ Blazers as well???

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#127538 - 01/26/02 08:58 PM Re: Is the P7 Blazer Friendly?
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Registered: 10/13/00
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Loc: Green Acres, USA
I gave up on Blazers years ago. For a $1 or so more, I shoot the real brass! Try a different brand of ammo and see if the stovepipes stop, then you'll know if it was the Blazers. The P7s typically eat everything ... maybe the batch of Blazers you shot were so sub-standard that even the P7 couldn't process them!

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#127539 - 01/26/02 09:51 PM Re: Is the P7 Blazer Friendly?
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Registered: 11/11/00
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Stovepipe jams are sometimes attributed to a poor relationship between recoil spring strength and ammunition pressure. Blazers, like most hardball target ammunition, are fairly low pressure cartridges. It's a shot in the dark, but is your recoil spring a factory model, or a replacement? Do you get the same trouble with warmer hollowpoint ammunition? How about other low-cost hardball?

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#127540 - 01/26/02 10:04 PM Re: Is the P7 Blazer Friendly?
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The fellow I got my nickel m10 from kept detailed records of all ammo fired, the blazer was the only ammo which caused stoppages, my PSP doesn't like it either, no stovepipes but about one time per box where the slide doesn't close all the way, a light tap and it closes.

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#127541 - 01/26/02 11:10 PM Re: Is the P7 Blazer Friendly?
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I was using a 23# wolf spring, but I've shot plenty of PMP using this same spring.

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#127542 - 01/27/02 07:05 AM Re: Is the P7 Blazer Friendly?
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I haven't shot Blazer thru my P7 because I've used it in other guns that I've had....too many Stovepipes....I'll spend the extra $1.00 and get real brass too...

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#127543 - 01/27/02 09:07 AM Re: Is the P7 Blazer Friendly?
JimC Offline
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Registered: 11/25/01
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Loc: Central FL
FYI, pg. 5 of the HK P7M8 Armorer's Manual recommends against the use of aluminum cased ammunition for the P7.

Damn, what's the usual cause of a stove pipe?

The fluted chamber and aluminum cases don't really get along too well. If they work in yours, so be it but...brass cased ammo is far better.
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#127544 - 01/27/02 09:08 AM Re: Is the P7 Blazer Friendly?
HKP9S Offline
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Registered: 05/14/01
Posts: 616
Blazer in a P7??? Nnnnooooooooooo! eek2

Have you noticed those little aluminum shavings everywhere in your gun?


Seriously, if you are looking for a cleaner round, try Winchester's WinClean 115 gr or 124 gr. It really is cleaner and works great. I have used it in my P7M8 in the past two IDPA matches.

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#127545 - 01/27/02 09:39 AM Re: Is the P7 Blazer Friendly?
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I've never had any trouble shooting 9mm Blazer of any bullet weight in my P7s in the past, though I haven't done so for years, because Blazer 9mm ammo is NOTORIOUSLY WIMPY! Depending upon your recoil spring strength, I suppose you might well get stovepipes with it.

FWIW, Blazer in .45ACP and .40S&W works fine, and seems to be adequately loaded (non-wimpy). I've shot cases of all of these with no problems, though I prefer hot (NATO spec or hotter) 9mm ammo for both practice and carry. Best.
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#127546 - 01/27/02 01:27 PM Re: Is the P7 Blazer Friendly?
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Registered: 03/16/00
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What aluminum shavings? I cleaned my gun last night, and it was much easier than usual.

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#127547 - 01/27/02 04:06 PM Re: Is the P7 Blazer Friendly?
HKP9S Offline
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Registered: 05/14/01
Posts: 616
Incursion,

I have not used any Blazer in years so they may have fixed this problem. But it left little tiny specs of aluminum from the case in the gun. Next time you use any, look real close, especially on the piston and in the chamber groves.

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#127548 - 01/27/02 05:35 PM Re: Is the P7 Blazer Friendly?
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Registered: 03/16/00
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Loc: Austin, TX, USA
Are they hard to clean off, or do they just come right off?

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